In Vino Veritas

Another problem in the area of wine and philosophy arises at Ben Sherwin’s blog, where Ben responds to a challenge to prove that Lafite-Rothschild is better than plonk. What the challenge really is, of course, is a challenge to prove that it is intelligible to talk about wine (or anything aesthetic, as opposed to scientific) in objective terms at all, the type of debate whose temptations I haven’t succumbed to since I was an undergraduate philosophy major and convinced that the cause of human wisdom could really be advanced by such debates. In truth, it doesn’t matter at all. Nobody who understands wine will attach any value to your opinions about it if you prefer plonk to Lafite, nobody who understands music will attach any value to your opinions about it if you prefer the Beastie Boys to Beethoven, and these statements are true regardless of whether it is inscribed in the constitutional laws of the universe that Beethoven is better than the Beasties the same way it is inscribed that pi equals 3.14159265358979323846 . . . (etc.).
But maybe the truth of those statements says something objective about aesthetics, after all.
Chacun à son goût has won out, and many people are not even aware that the argument has another side,” wrote Charles Murray, defending the other side in his book Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950. Murray begins with two basic premises—that “people vary in their knowledge of any given field,” and that “the nature of a person's appreciation of a thing or event varies with the level of knowledge that a person brings to it.” For example,

If you know a lot about baseball, for example, you and an ignorant friend who accompanies you to the ballpark are watching different games when there is one out, runners on first and third, and the batter is ahead in the count. The things you are thinking about and looking for as the pitcher delivers the next pitch never cross your ignorant companion’s mind. Is your friend as excited by the game as you? Having as much fun? Maybe or maybe not, but that’s not the point. Your appreciation of what is happening is objectively greater. You are better able to apprehend an underlying reality inhering in the object, and it has nothing to do with your sentiments.

Interestingly, Terry Theise prints an essay on the same subject each year in his Germany catalog, and uses exactly the same example:
One evening at the ballgame I had the good fortune to sit next to one of the advance scouts who attend every game, gathering intel on the players. It was a slow night, and I asked if he could “think out loud” for me, tell me what he saw. And what he saw was an entirely different ballgame from the one I saw. I sat in admiration of his trained eye.
From those facts follows Murray’s third proposition: that “the relationship of expertise to judgment forms a basis for treating excellence in the arts as a measurable trait”:

The logic is that, by and large, the reason people who know a lot about a subject prefer A to B is because A is better than Bbetter in a sense that is intrinsic to the nature of the excellence in the field in question. Those who know the most about music devote so much attention to Bach because understanding Bach calls upon every bit of fine discrimination and knowledge that the expert can bring to the table. The prolonged study of Bach does not become boring, because Bach keeps presenting new facets for examination. A lesser composer does not pose the same challenges. His mysteries can be deciphered more quickly. He does not reward study as Bach does. Or to go back to my original example, the person who knows a lot about art can look at Titian’s Venus of Urbino for a long time and the looking alone—not the social context of Titian’s era, not the meaning of the female nude in the construction of gender, not what sort of person Titian was, but just the looking—absorbs the full attention of the art expert. Titian offers a lot to look at—to contemplate—for someone who knows about art. That same knowledgeable person cannot contemplate the nude painted on black velvet. He can think about its social context. He can wonder about what sort of person the artist was. But there’s not much to get out of the looking.

The argument is that people who know the most about an artistic field are drawn to certain works. The qualities that draw their attention are those that offer the biggest payoff in the aesthetics of the art, and this payoff is based on qualities distinct from subjective sentiments.

The usual counter-argument to this is to point out that experts disagree all the time, which is true, but irrelevant. Statistical outliers are a fact of life; what’s important is the depth of the consensus. Murray points out that one well-reputed musicologist dislikes Bach. So what? The arts critic Terry Teachout supplies the only appropriate response:

When I was an undergraduate, studying music criticism with the late John Haskins, who was then the music critic of the Kansas City Star, I brought in a paper for his perusal in which I declared that I didn’t like Schumann. He said, mildly, “You know, Terry, that says more about you than it does about Schumann.” As I pulled the arrow out of my forehead, I realized that I’d just learned a priceless lesson: if you’re going to express a personal prejudice in a review, one that causes you to dissent decisively from a long-standing verdict of posterity, do it ruefully, in full awareness that your inability to appreciate an obviously great artist is a failure of taste that separates you from the communion of truth.

Such dissents, it’s true, occur within the framework of general agreement on the standards for excellence in the field. An argument over whether Schumann is in the same league as Bach is a parlor game for people who understand classical music, a highbrow version of debates like who wins in a race between Superman and the Flash. They might disagree on the conclusion but don't fundamentally disagree on the standards to be applied.
Some disagreements, however, are fundamental. There are people well-schooled in their fields who think Warhol’s garish fashion statements are as important as the Sistine Chapel, that noise by John Cage is equivalent to Bach, that Spinal Tap wines like Sine Qua Non are better than La Tâche. One can either take them seriously, or ignore them as intellectual fads that will soon be consigned to the ash-heap of history by the inexorable march forward of human wisdom. That’s Murray’s approach. There is, of course, the alternative possibility.

—Keith Levenberg, July 10, 2008, 8:34 AM

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14 Comments:

Anonymous Alder Yarrow said...

This gets my vote for the best blog post I've seen in months.

Time is all important in being able to make the judgements about the objective truth of aesthetics. When Picasso first broke on the scene his work might have been the Sine Qua Non to the Bach of the Impressionists. It"s only with the benefit of half a century or s that we can be sure he's part of the pantheon.

July 10, 2008 10:25 PM  
Anonymous Jeff Hogg said...

I'm not sure to what degree I disagree (pardon the rhyme!). I'm left with the impression that you are saying things are very black and white. That art, music, etc. are all objective and not subjective in taste. Color me skeptical.

July 11, 2008 3:14 PM  
Anonymous Paul H. said...

The nice thing about this well written post is I can just skim down to the superman vs. flash lowbrow comment, get my much needed chuckle, as I've been writing a proposal since 9 pm thursday.

What a hoot Keith, great post. I'll have to read this more carefully when my faculties return.

July 11, 2008 7:33 PM  
Blogger Erwin Dink said...

There is one difference of significance when it comes to discussing the subjective experience of the consumer of wine versus the analysis and critique of art. Wine is actually consumed. What happens in the mouth is largely not objective - taste buds and receptors do not all work alike from person to person.

July 12, 2008 8:27 AM  
Blogger Rajiv said...

Great post! A similar argument is put forward by Barry Smith in Questions of Taste: The Philosophy of Wine.

Alder: I wonder if the importance of time is connected to why we attach special value to wines that last a long time?

July 12, 2008 8:33 AM  
Blogger Keith Levenberg said...

Thanks for the comments. Erwin, I'm not sure the difference you observe is all that significant (although it's certainly true that I've presumed the analogousness of wine and the arts here without defending why; that will have to wait for another post.) There is no direct channel between art or music and the brain. We rely on our senses of sight or hearing, which differ from one person to the next at least as significantly as the senses of taste, touch, and smell (all of which are employed in wine tasting, not just taste).

Any biological differences that exist in the function of these senses pale in comparison to the similarities. Some people prefer Bordeaux and some prefer Burgundy, but all people prefer wine to rat poison. And if someone drank a glass of red wine and said, "Hmm, if I were wearing a blindfold I'd think I just ate a bowl of clam chowder!" you'd conclude, properly, there was something seriously defective in that person's sensory equipment -- like a color-blind person describing the colors in a rainbow -- not that they'd perceived some truth inhering in the wine that eluded everyone else.

July 12, 2008 9:23 AM  
Blogger Beau Rapier said...

Keith, a nicely polished article that clearly you put a lot of thought into. But I think you er in the get go by stating as a matter of fact that "nobody who understands music will attach any value to your opinions about it if you prefer the Beastie Boys to Beethoven." I think such unequivocal statements are inherently incorrect. Surely there is someone out there who understands music who would not dismiss an opinion like that out of hand. You come down clearly on one side of the value or taste as objective factors in art debate, but the question is does that debate even matter? Most of the artists/musicians you mention would say it doesn't. Hence the age old combination of disdain and ambivalence that artists have for critics.

The argument for a "canonical" approach has long been advocated by conservative theorists like Murray. I'm not sure, but I think you were agreeing with this approach at the end of your post. That's fine if you were, but it is clearly a very debatable opinion instead of an obvious conclusion.

I'm glad you wrote the article, it provides us with a very interesting parlor game.

July 14, 2008 1:37 PM  
Blogger Keith Levenberg said...

Beau,
I'm generally careful about making absolute statements I can't defend, but I'm comfortable with that one unless someone can name names!

July 17, 2008 9:41 PM  
Blogger Beau Rapier said...

I think my discomfort lies in the words "prefer" and "understands". If you'd made the same argument but highlighted the ability to distinguish levels of difficulty or complexity between Beastie Boys and Beethoven I'd be less skeptical. I can't name names either, but I'm positive there are scholars of music out there who would not only value but be intrigued by the opinion of an enthusiast who "prefered" Beastie Boys to Beethoven. As far as "understands" it just seems a vague and clumsy term in these circumstances. I don't what it means are defines.

Ultimately I think the debate is mute because there seems to me to be plenty of room at the table for all of these things. I don't need to pick pop music or culture over "high" culture because I can love them both. Same goes for "plonk" and Lafite. I find a lovely aesthetic in the consumption of cheap, poor quality booze; it's sort of primal. I also love the Apollonian pursuit of divine beverages. Again, no need to attach value since you can, and should, have both in this world.

July 21, 2008 7:30 PM  
Blogger Beau Rapier said...

Correction: I meant to say "I don't know what it means or defines."
Sorry, typing to late at night.

July 22, 2008 7:27 AM  
Anonymous Paul H. said...

Keith;

Just getting back to your post.

I'm really wrapped up in your final paragraph. I tend to look past the words and ideas, and am concerned with the thoughts and motives of the players.

There is a rejection of the communion of truth inherent in such critics that prefer the garish fashion; it leads me to ask - what is their motive? Why make that choice? There must be a reason!

There's a great review this week of the latest Batman movie in the WSJ (i've not seen the movie) The point made by the reviewer is the notion of the Joker as a nihlist, to quote:

"He's a nihilist whose avowed purpose is to disrupt society by corrupting and destroying its heroes"

The idea, in a more limited sense, is that the impetous of such critics who tear down the old hierarchy, and subsequently defend the hierarchy they create, (even if it requires employing doublethink) is that they are deliberately creating and supporting a worldview that furthers their personal needs.

So next time you open a bottle of plonk that someone tells you is 96 points, just think of the jokers face all over that bottle, and why things in the wine world have come to be what they are.

Shoot - back to work - I think I captured about 80% of what i said, but better check back latter to see if what I've said is clear (often not the case for this harried engineer)

July 25, 2008 3:35 PM  
Blogger Keith Levenberg said...

Wow, Paul. Dark thoughts.

You know, it never sat well with me that the otherwise awesome Tim Burton Batman had Jack Nicholson's Joker as an ex-mobster. The Joker should be a kind of evil more twisted than a thug robbing banks.

A "nihilist whose avowed purpose is to disrupt society by corrupting and destroying its heroes." I like it. Like a villain in an Ayn Rand novel: "Don't set out to raze all shrines--you'll frighten men. Enshrine mediocrity--and the shrines are razed."

July 25, 2008 5:53 PM  
Anonymous Paul H. said...

Darker yet on your part!

Nice reference to the Fountainhead - I read that in my teens - it may make for interesting summer reading now that I've been in engineering for 2 decades, entrenched in an organization enshrinig mediocrity through office politics!

July 29, 2008 9:25 AM  
Blogger Keith Levenberg said...

I tried to re-read it a few years ago. It works much better in your teens. :)

July 29, 2008 10:06 AM  

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